User talk:Sake neko

Great job here, you've been doing alot of work(more than me). Anyway, welcome to the Wiki, If you need my help I'll be more than happy lend a hand or two(though I generally have trouble lending 3 hands). Moogle Buddy 19:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks but you should give yourself more credit. I didn't know this place existed until a week or so ago. :) Sake neko 22:53, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

A late but very warm welcome
This is probably just going to seem tacky after moogles greeting, but hello all the same, and thanks for all the contributions.

I just have one thing I wanted to ask you about though; I noticed (at least in sw character articles) that you've been replacing the artwork infobox images with the concept images. My opinion is that we should use the promo arts when their the most recent, and additionally there was a consensus earlier about using the artworks. and while i dont care for the look of the concept arts, many thanks for finding and uploading them, and they can definitely be good additions to the sw2 sections/gallerys of articles.

I apologize if I'm coming across as dictatorial; all I wanted to do by bringing this up was ask for your input on the matter, so thanks again for the help. Dabigbozz42 16:50, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey thanks for the compliment. I only used the concept art because I don't have a copy of the promo arts. I don't mind if they're replaced in the gallery, but I did want to add an image so the article wouldn't look blank. I add the concept art for some characters because you can't see some details very well in the promo art (Kanetsugu comes to mind). That's my two cents really. Sake neko 22:07, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'd like to welcome you as well to the wiki although it's a bit late. You've been doing a great job with the character articles, especially the Kessen sections. If possible just try and stick to the recently written manual of style so that articles are all written in the same way.--Aeon lord92 08:27, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Roger. Sake neko 08:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Grazie mille
Thanks for all the work you've been doing here, Sake neko. You've been the most active user for some time, and thank you for expanding the articles with Kessen and Saihai no Yukue information. GreatPanda 16:08, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm really just expanding on the Koei genre I like the most but it's nice to hear that the people here appreciate it. :) Sake neko 20:48, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

My God, Sake neko, you're doing way too much work. Organizing and making Categories, taking the time to tediously put articles in the correct categories, making new articles and images... Just too much work there, Sake neko. Thanks a hella bunch. Hope the Wiki isn't taking up too much of your fun! GreatPanda 00:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Nice pictures
I was going over the edits on pages, and one question I have is where did you find those pictures for Kunoichi, they are very good. I'm rather clueless at finding pictures myself, so I was simply a little curious. Also very nice work on the wikia(never seen so much work done, even when we had 5 active people, and now it's 2, you and GreatPanda). I haven't been near active enough as of late I'm going to try to be of more of a help. Moogle Buddy 01:25, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. :) If you mean the scans in her gallery section, it's because I personally own and scanned the books myself. I'm trying to do the same for other characters as well but I'm not willing to tear my pages out like the really awesome Dokuganryu. So those other scans are kinda placeholders for the time being. Sake neko 01:31, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Crimson Sea
I was wondering if you wanted me to make a template for you as far as Crimson Sea goes, all I would need to know is how many games they have, and the main character names. Just trying to be helpful Moogle Buddy 01:24, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. A series template might be overkill since there's only two games really made for Crimson Sea. A character template might be helpful though. I wouldn't know how to organize it, I'm still working it out in my head. :) Sake neko 01:50, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't think so, Warriors Orochi had 2 games(3 now) and it had one listing the the games above, and Warriors Orochi exclusive characters.It's purpose is just to give quick links from one article to another one in at the bottom that all relate, and in a small easy to find box Moogle Buddy 19:06, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess. I'd be more pleased if we had an infobox for the Houshin Engi characters since they've been in four games at least. It's just that as cool as Crimson Sea is, I see less of a future sequel for these games than the Warriors Orochi one. If you think it's all right though, then I wouldn't mind a template. :) Sake neko 21:11, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I think he is the best character except for lubu User:DWGamer196

Zhen Ji Courtesy Name
Hello Sake Neko. Nice to meet you. I've seen the recent edit you did on Zhen Ji's page. Can you correct me if Im wrong?

I'm aware that Furen litteraly means ones wife, but historically Zhen Ji was commonly called Madame Zhen. In Chinese Furen also means Madame which translates to her name Zhen Furen in Chinese. Maybe you are correct since Furen is a tittle. Historically her tittle was Furen though.
 * Yes, I'm aware of that as well. Furen is more like a title that addressing her status. Furen is not a given name for the individual; it's not as intimate as a style name, which addresses in one name where a person was born and such. I've looked everywhere -Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and so on- and so far no one knows her actual style name, putting her in the same boat as most of the other ladies from that time. Furen isn't really exclusive to Zhen Ji either as I've seen it used to describe many other ladies during ancient times (Huang Yueying and Wu Guotai immediately come to mind). This is due to the way how ladies were treated/remembered during those times. They weren't addressed or recorded under the entire given name as it was mostly limited to family or their husbands. It was formal to address them under a rank with their family name, recognizing their marriage to their husband rather than they themselves. To try to address a lady under their full name when you're not in this circle was a great offense. They kinda have a similar naming scheme in Japanese with the "x no kata", "xhime" and "x-dono".


 * You can add Furen in the historical section/information though, I won't mind. In fact, if you want, you can rewrite it as well since it's a bit lacking in some places and you seem genuinely interested in the section at the moment than I do. It's just faulty to try to say that Furen itself is an actual name or a style name for a person -it's like treating the Mrs. or Mr. as the entire name for a person when it's normally not. Sake neko 01:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I forgot to say this before but an easy way to spot if someone has a style name is to see if the character for it is present (字 followed by their style name). Also as a dorky Koei reference, Zhen Ji just says her name while her husband says his name and style name.Sake neko 03:31, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry that I cussed u out.I was mad before I checked my mail,I got even madder when u messed my page up.I'm just gonna ask u why.I'm from atlanta and we don't take that shit very well.I just wanna ask u why.

I'm not mad anymore about Zhen Luo page anymo.This nosy little boy told me I cannot claim ownership(New 2 this didn't know)and u don't have 2 answer the question that i asked.


 * Thank you for the apology. Remember, you can add stuff too. Especially anything related to gameplay. We could need a page that lists all the skills in Dynasty Warriors or something like that. Sake neko 19:32, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

WO2 PSP
Oh no, I don't have WO2 PSP. I live in Holland and so it hasn't released here yet, but I am going to get it for sure. And I do not have Strikeforce, don't like it. Anyways, I'll see what I can do here. Master Sima Yi August 25th, 2009

Historical Information
Is what the Historical Information I created about Muneshige Tachibana okay then? I didn't copy it from anywhere. Master Sima Yi 05:12, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's shallow and not to my personal liking for a guy who did a lot, but most of it is somewhat correct. If you're not going to write more on him, I'm planning to expanding the section later anyways -like with a lot of other people. Sake neko 05:14, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

NPCs
I was working on that. Though I was certain you would know more about, for example, Takanobu Ryuzoji's role in other games. I'm sure he appears in other games, though you seem to own more KOEI games then I do. I'm doing it also as a start for other people to edit, seeing as all edits by other people I see are for old articles. Master Sima Yi 16:03, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Btw, Takenaka did fight for the Oda army. Face it :P. He was fighting UNDER Hideyoshi. Master Sima Yi 16:05, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Then how can I fill in the Kessen parts when I don't own any Kessen games and the roles of the characters in it aren't described anywhere? I'm not relying on you particular, just anyone who knows what to fill in there. Sorry, I'm not really good at explaining, and even worse in a foreign language... Master Sima Yi 16:53, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

"Just because Kaihime was made playable doesn't mean these other characters will be, so don't make more pages for them. "

I'm not doing it because of that. Takanobu is as important in SW2 as Magobei Fuse. All those articles need to be made, does it matter where you begin? Master Sima Yi 17:12, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

I see. But tell me, when are thes pages going to be done then? Master Sima Yi 17:20, October 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * And do you mind telling me where you get the info concerning NA and those pictures, from Takanobu, from? Master Sima Yi 17:23, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Pictures.
Hello Sake Neko. My reasoning for if anyone could get picture from the videos, was simply to get the most up to date pictures for the characters. I see your point though of waiting for the official images as they are, well, official, well-done, and high-quality. I was simply thinking momentary up to date pictures might also help in the gallery, as it shows the viewers what is currently known of the characters. While I'm leaving a message, might I interest you in the Featured Article voting? You do the most work on the wikia, so it's you'll more than likely know the best among the articles, and I really want to get that rolling again. Thanks Moogle Buddy 01:17, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

About Ne Zha
Hi Sake Neko I'm just wondering about Ne Zha. In Mystic Heroes Ne Zha is a girl (from character profile in the game). But actually Ne Zha is a boy?! And I found a guide from this http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/575236/24910 which also tell that Ne Zha is a girl. So I'm starting to confuse that actually is Ne Zha really a girl or really a boy x_x. So if your information is really true then please answer here and confirm it thank you...


 * I already answered this here since that was the ip address that the question came from, but I guess I can repeat it.


 * Yes, he's a boy.


 * I know the images don't help me argue this case at all, but Ne Zha's really a boy in Japanese. Li Jing says that he only has sons (息子たち, musukotachi) and he calls Ne Zha the "stupid son". To be honest though, just think that Li Jing has having really feminine looking sons. Jin Zha and Mu Zha look just as feminine and they practically look like twins to boot. Ne Zha doesn't change genders in Japanese at all, since he's still a boy in other FY titles. The characters who know him always make a point of saying that he's a boy during his introduction sequences. That's why he gets upset for being mistaken as a "goddess" in the handheld game. Ne Zha also appears in Saiyuki and Goku identifies him as a male. It doesn't seem like it's him in the English version, but he's named one of his other names in Japanese, Nata Taishi (哪吒太子, Ne Zha Taizhi), which is roughly translated as Prince Ne Zha.


 * The English Mystic Heroes is the only title that says that he's a she. I'm guessing that they didn't want to try to use his proper gender for some reason. Well... I can see why, if that's the case. Sake neko 19:15, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * I finally found the official page for the first game and the character list says that Nezha's a boy as well. Sake neko 22:09, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for cleaning up the Aya page. I had no idea about here other names and therefore couldn't find much info on her... I may also have been a little harsh (don't know if that's good English... ) in creating the page since I didn't have much time for it. Sorry. Master Sima Yi 14:01, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. Though I was planning on editing it when now that I'm home from school. I noticed the Yoshikage Asakura one too. And yes, I got to admit that I do want to be the first one though XD. I want me to go noticed for once, in any way possible... I'm sorry but I can't really help that. God I hate myself for that. And by the way, the deleted Aya page wasn't as good as the one you have made now. Master Sima Yi 14:32, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

personals item for WO..
Hey there.. i just want you to know that to complete the personal items article, you nedd the guide of how to unlock it, right? so you can just copy it form gamefaqs, then search Warriors Orochi and open the unlockig personal items guide... Hope this help... Thx...

Hi,Sake neko.do you have more images and scans of the koei saiyuki characters like the viliians and many other more?
 * Scans: no. The images in the character's infoboxes are ones I stole from both versions of the official website. I know a book with the official artworks exists but I sadly do not own it. Character portraits and other such game images: yes! But, I must admit, I'm not really focusing on Saiyuki at the moment. If you want, I can do the rest of the Saiyuki characters after I finish three more characters from Gitaroo-Man. Sake neko 07:53, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Really? Gee,thanks.Sake neko.I've been searching them for a very long time and they are extremely hard to find.

Oh and one more thing,Sake neko,what is the difference between scans and images?
 * Something that I consider to be a "scan":
 * Gojo.jpg
 * Something that I consider to be a general image for the game:
 * Sykgojo-portraits.jpg
 * The majority of the Saiyuki articles I did were the main party characters with full body images from the official website. Since I don't own the artbook for this game, I don't have these same sorts of images for the remaining characters. Until I do or someone with the book is kind enough to contribute, I'm basically aiming to make the rest of the character articles look something like the majority of the Fengshen Yanyi characters (such as Wen Zhong or Huang Tianhua). I haven't read the entire Journey to the West novel yet so I'm likely going to leave the novel summaries blank. I'm hoping that someone out there who has read the novel and wants to do them can contribute for that section though. We'll see. Sake neko 12:52, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Oh,I do not own both the artbook and the novel either that's why i have been searching for them for a very long time and i found this website,this is all thanks to you. ^^ I found out that there is one artbook called the "西游记六画集" meaning "Saiyuki Six Illustration".This is the website http://auction.thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_auc/image78/76/72/00010002978/62/b2/img00130758024.jpg,the one on the upper right is the artbook in this website.Unfortunately,this artbook can only be obtained by buying the Saiyuki Journey West game as both the game and the artbook come together and it is extremely hard to find now,even for the second hand.There is also one website that talks a bit about the Saiyuki journey West novel,the novel is basically in japanese and they translate it to English,this is the website,"community.livejournal.com/journeywest".The illustration for the novel in japanese is "www1.ocn.ne.jp".I also love the ost of the game and i have been searching them for the past 4 years and i have finally found them.This is the website,http://www.box.net/shared/xsafmtk68b. Enjoy ^^ Again,thank you very much for posting the saiyuki images,i really appreciate it.
 * Thanks for the hook ups and for the response. I'm happy to know that someone else on the net likes this Saiyuki like I do. ^^ I'm just a bit sad that I can't get that artbook though. I sometimes see it on yahoo auctions or other sites like that but it's sometimes too expensive for me (either the book itself or the shipping). And then it disappears in like two or three days. I'm having the same vain struggle trying to find the Houshin Engi book and drama CDs -for a reasonable price- as well. Well, I still appreciate your kind responses. I'll try to finish up the rest of those pages in the next few days or so. ^^ Sake neko 18:01, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

You are very welcome,Sake neko. ^^ I'm also very glad that i have found someone who is a fan of Saiyuki like you.I think there is only a few people out there who love this game.Don't give up,Sake neko,i'm sure we will find the artbook one day. If you need help,just send a message here and i will try my best to help you.Gambateh! Kkeep it up! ^^

Greetings
Hi,Sake neko,wish you a very happy and prosperous new year! May all your dreams and wishes come true! ^^ Oh,can i ask you something,hope you don't mind if i say this.Are you a japanese?

Oh,i forgot something,Sake neko.You said that you are having the same vain struggle trying to find the Houshin Engi book and drama CD,right? What kind of book is the Houshin Engi? Is it an artbook,novel or a story?
 * Happy new year to you too. I don't really want to say anything about myself at the moment, so I'll pass on the first question. As for the second one, I'm referring to the Fengshen Yanyi series that Koei did. They did three drama CDs and light novels, but I'm having a hard time even seeing anything for them. It's pretty obscure, even with Japanese fans, so I guess it's to be expected.


 * Anyways, I have a little request. If you (or someone that you know has played the game) would like to look over and add things to the Saiyuki character pages that are done, then be my guest. I would also appreciate in-depth novel summaries, and preferably not copy-paste from Wikipedia (since wikias are supposed to offer more). Well, anything really. I just don't want to be the only person who's touching these pages. Sake neko 12:18, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Oic,it's ok if you don't want to talk about yourself,sorry for asking such stupid question...As to be your guest,why,i would be glad to do so ^^ I just don't know how to do so and edit or add images to the saiyuki category.Besides,i also don't know how or where to get the saiyuki images....
 * Thanks. As for the pages, I just mean the ones that are done so far for now. Like the main party/other characters. They look complete but I figure that someone else's input might help them look a bit better. Sake neko 05:05, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Mmmmm...... I think what the saiyuki image category lacks of is that,firstly, some of the characters don't have their full body shown like the optional characters and the Guardians. I do have the full figures of the guardians but i don't know how to post them up and i also do not have the full figure of the optional party members like taurus,tessen and so on....Secondly, the sections of the eight devils and extra characters are empty,not even their face portraits. I will help you to post them up but question is i do not know how or where to find those images.I have been searching for them in the internet for a very long time and until now i could only find some of the images which are all been posted on the saiyuki category.Also,i was also looking for the saiyuki game concept art like the front,back and side views of the characters,the characters sketches and sprites, as well as the backgrounds,environments and background designs of the game.I had been wondering why KOEI keep this game so classified.==
 * Um... I wasn't asking about the images. I don't really want more images for these characters right now. I can just take screenshots for the remaining characters as a placeholder. That's not my primary concern.


 * I was talking about the character pages themselves. Y'know, the writing and the analysis junk. The stuff about the characters themselves. I was asking about an opinion regarding those. Sake neko 06:42, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oh,is the character pages...Sorry,i was confused.So you wish someone would give more information and feedback about the characters in the character pages? But i think there is only you and me who have been talking about saiyuki,i don't see other people coming in and give comments about it.

So i just add some feedback and information in the characters corner? Do i have to register in order to do so?
 * Er, if you want to register, you can. You might want to read up a bit on how wikias work before you commit to it though. For normal writing purposes, you can just add whatever you want without membership. It's a wikia where anyone can edit.


 * Also take note of the bold text near the bottom of the screen as you edit. If you can't see it, I'll copy it for you: 'If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here. I can't stress that enough.' If you're cool with that, then do as you please. Sake neko 10:01, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Sanguo Zhi
Hello Sake Neko,

I'm busy setting up my own Three Kingdoms page at http://sanguozhi.wikia.com/wiki/Sanguozhi_-_Record_of_the_Three_Kingdoms_Wiki and was wondering if we could link to each others wiki? As I said I'm just starting so there's only 44 pages and 4 contributors and we're looking to expand! It seems your wiki's main focus are the videogames and my wiki's main focus is the historical aspect of the Three Kingdoms (the sanguo zhi and the many biographies).

I hope you're willing to consider this! :-)

Zantam03 16:31, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks I guess? I'm not admin though so I can't really say anything about being affiliates. Kyosei can answer this for you. Sake neko 21:33, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hi,Sake Neko.I have edited one of the Saiyuki characters data but the information is not related to the saiyuki journey west game.Is it ok? And i really have no idea what to write the about the other characters' data. Also,i wanted to add some images in the saiyuki category if you don't mind.
 * Um... I don't really know what to say if I can't see the edit. If it's information from the novel then I don't mind. If you want to post images, you have to get an actual account from wikia. But like I said, it'd probably be best if you read a bit more on wikias before you think you should actually join. Sake neko 04:56, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Oic....I'll see what i can do about the characters pages.

Mmm....I think all the character pages have been edited and i think almost all the information about the characters is there.I wonder why you are still worrying about the pages and that you say that "i don't really know what to say if i can't see the edit." Is something wrong,Sake Neko?
 * Are you putting novel information in what should be the actual game only section? I've only seen changes on Goku at best, and that was in the wrong section. Information from the novel should be at the bottom and not be joined with what is only in the game. Feel free to keep editing as you like, but do not continue to confuse the purpose of both sections. It's there to compare with what changes there are from the original source material, not to say that both materials are the same. Sake neko 09:04, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

Oh,sorry.Well,i really don't know what to say but i will just leave the pages as they used to be. I was just trying to help and if i had make a mess,i would like to apologize.
 * There's no need to apologize; if anything I might need to since I guess I unintentionally sound like I'm bullying you. You can keep editing if you like and I really encourage it, but I'm just saying that your information was in the wrong section. Sake neko 08:36, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Honestly,you really do sound like that.And you sound kinda angry and i just don't know why.Anyway,i won't give it a damn and i won't keep that in mind.So don't worry about that.

Hi
Hi again thanks to you I got all the help i needed on wikia so thanks.

Becouse all of your help i managed to creat a new wiki called Samurai Games i would really like you to check it out to see what you think about the wiki.

Sadley no 1 had entered my wiki yet :( so you will be the 1st person to see it.

By the way is Odawara Castle a stage in Kessen becouse i have made this stage in your koei wiki and was wondering if you would know how the story is in the games.

Again Thanks.

Hi
Thanks alot for the tips and for visiting Samurai Wiki. I already putted Way of the Samurai page. And for Warriors Orochi i only mentioned it for Yoshitsune Minamoto, Kiyomari Taira and Benkei Saitio for there 1st appearence. The only problem is that i am putting there gaming appearence which is hard to find for other Samurai's of other periods. As for Onimusha Samanosuke IS Hiedimitsu thats why I linked him in Nobunaga's History section. Some other games you mentioned I don't know them all but I'm sure that I will get them since they are samurai games. As for Yakuza the game is a mafia/yakuza game apart from the 3rd game.

And thanks for the info for Odawara I haven't got the 3rd kessen yet.

Tadakatsu
that is a nice pic of tadakatsu he is the best

Samurai games Wiki
Hi again, Listen can you give some more tips for my wiki i'm running out of ideas and I don't know what i'm going to improve and attract other members to visit the wiki.

Again thanks for everything.

Hi again, Is it a good idea to put Hokotu Musou in the my wiki?

Thanks
Thank you alot for your help. I'm finding a hard time finding some info I don't have all of the games. I was thinking of doing a table but when I finished the cells didn't appeare.

I was thinking of putting Naruto in the wiki, my friend told me that he would like to help if i get started on naruto, but he isn't a member yet. Should I put naruto? he isn't a samurai but my friend told me that there are samurais in the series.

By the way do you know anyone who can help me in the wiki? I don't know alot of peaple in wikia I even checked there blog but they are mostly intrested in Dynasty Warriors.

Again thanks.

Naomasa Ii
No one calls him Naomasa Li, they call him Ii, with an uppercase 'i'. Which is why they also use the reference to Yi.
 * I know his real name. I'm just wondering why I saw "Li Naomasa" on his page before I erased the historical section. I've also seen the "Li" floating around on other random boards as well, so it isn't just that one instance. Sake neko 14:44, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedea
Ok and sorry.

By the way is it a good idea to do a generic charecter his generic weapon using kojiro and katsuie's weapon's in SW2 Empires

No, I was sugesting to put a generic charecter there generic weapon by using katsuie and kojiro's weapon's in SW2 Empires pics

OK then

The Lu's
The reason I put Lu Bu in Chen Gong's article as Lü Bu is because that's how it is consistently used in my version of the novel (the same goes for Lü Boshe). I didn't really get what you were saying in your summaries, so could you clarify your reasoning, please? Thanks you, and after all of this time, you're as hard-working as ever. GreatPanda 02:26, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks same to you. You're helping a lot with the summaries and keeping silly comments off of pages. Red Hare being the fastest horse in the land... only in the games! :)


 * Anyways, I just don't really see the point in putting pinyin all the time for one syllable but excluding everyone else. Pinyin is stuff like the "Lü" for "Lü Bu". Why only do a part of Lu Bu when you've got a whole load of other characters and places who have technically have those similar symbols for their name? It just seems a bit biased and not really consistent. I sometimes do that too, but it's mostly for a visual key/guide since sometimes the subject or place I mention often isn't talked about in English. On the other hand, most people who visit this wiki already know who Lu Bu is. That's what I meant. I didn't mean to offend, it's just that it's weird to see it, y'know? Sake neko 02:37, February 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I'll try to keep pinyin only in the infobox, then. And my apologies if I sounded offended, I'm not at all in fact. Was just wondering. :D GreatPanda 03:26, February 9, 2010 (UTC)